Yea I know. There is a differance between multi ply and single ply. What I get sick of hearing is how some of these single ply drugfree crusaders act like every single lifter that is on the top 100 or top 20 are all wearing multi ply gear and using drugs. Whats even worse is how they compare their own lifts like Billy Mimnaugh says to the ipf lifters of 20 years ago, and here they are with a 180 dollar squat suit, 180 dollar bench shirt and they need 100 pounds over their max raw lift to get the bar to touch, or to get their squats low enough! If a lifter is not on the top 100 list, then there is no way that he is going to be no ways near the top no matter what he wears or how much roids he does.