if the data showed that then

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if the data showed that then

Posted By: Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26)
Date: Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 6:09 a.m.

In Response To: Re: I'm a libertarian and despise liberals (James Chantler)

a hypothesis test would demonstrate it. so the method was correct
what is left out is that people who use belts tend to lift much heavier weight (ie-near their 1RM) than other people and hence usually obtain more injuries but it's not due to the belt
a more CORRECT analysis would be to analyze
-top level powerlifters uing a belt
-top level powerlifters NOT using a belt (if there are any)
so the scenario you gave is not a criticism of statistics per se but just an overamplification of a particular conclusion
(btw if you don't like the analysis he did then you better not take any medicine ever again since the effectiveness and safety of nearly every drug sold in the US undergoes this type of analysis)

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Job Hou-Seye and NASA
Steve Shaw (71-86-203-194.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) -- Monday, March 3, 2008, @ 3:42 p.m.
- You Appear To Be A Nut Job.... *PIC*
  Jobe Housey (adsl-69-210-148-229.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net) -- Monday, March 3, 2008, @ 5:07 p.m.
  - might want to talk to modern science
    Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 2:25 p.m.
    - Re: might want to talk to modern science
      James Chantler (66-193-79-4.static.twtelecom.net) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 5:45 p.m.
      - Shut up and listen to the Champ fella !
        Scott Tusic (pool-72-84-41-4.clrkwv.east.verizon.net) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 7:39 p.m.
      - true. correlation does not equal causation
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 7:27 a.m.
        
        Re: true. correlation does not equal causation
        James Chantler (66-193-79-4.static.twtelecom.net) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 2:30 p.m.
        
        of course the temperate year by year
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Thursday, March 6, 2008, @ 1:20 p.m.
        
        Re: of course the temperate year by year *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 7, 2008, @ 11:16 a.m.
        
        nope. the most reliable
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 2:26 p.m.
        
        Re: nope. the most reliable
        Doug P (gw.edgecombe.cc.nc.us) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 7:02 a.m.
        
        actually I am a libertarian and hate al gore
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 9:53 a.m.
        
        Re: actually I am a libertarian and hate al gore
        Doug P (gw.edgecombe.cc.nc.us) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 10:27 a.m.
        
        no. CO2 increases and temp increases coincide for
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 6:02 a.m.
        
        Re: no. CO2 increases and temp increases coincide *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Wednesday, March 12, 2008, @ 2:04 p.m.
        
        you still aren't getting this
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.70) -- Wednesday, March 12, 2008, @ 4:24 p.m.
        
        Re: you still aren't getting this
        D (63.76.139.12) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 1:57 p.m.
        
        cold weather
        JoeDalton (208-110-205-6.twcbs.com) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 10:41 a.m.
        
        Re: cold weather *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 10:45 a.m.
        
        Re: cold weather
        James Campbell (h-68-165-147-46.hstqtx02.covad.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 12:03 p.m.
        
        Location
        JoeDalton (c-98-198-188-198.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 5:54 p.m.
        
        Re: Location
        a (cal53-uas-2-209197146139.3web.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 7:53 p.m.
        
        Re: Location
        James Campbell (h-68-165-147-46.hstqtx02.covad.net) -- Monday, March 17, 2008, @ 9:27 a.m.
        
        sorry but there is no debate on this
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 6:03 a.m.
        
        Re: sorry but there is no debate on this
        Doug P (gw.edgecombe.cc.nc.us) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 8:17 a.m.
        
        Re: actually I am a libertarian and hate al gore *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 1:32 p.m.
        
        Re: nope. the most reliable *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 8:33 a.m.
        
        Re: nope. the most reliable
        Mario (proxy2b.external.lmco.com) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 7:38 p.m.
        
        Re: true. correlation does not equal causation *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 7, 2008, @ 11:05 a.m.
        
        Re: true. correlation does not equal causation *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 7, 2008, @ 11:06 a.m.
        
        sorry but the 6 of the past 10yrs
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 2:18 p.m.
        
        Re: sorry but the 6 of the past 10yrs
        Al Wood (adsl-69-149-48-34.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) -- Sunday, March 9, 2008, @ 8:40 a.m.
        
        actually the ozone hole is a seperate issue
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 9:55 a.m.
        
        Re: sorry but the 6 of the past 10yrs *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 8:34 a.m.
        
        I'm a libertarian and despise liberals
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 9:54 a.m.
        
        Re: I'm a libertarian and despise liberals *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 1:28 p.m.
        
        look back into your stats class and
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 6:10 a.m.
        
        Re: look back into your stats class and *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 8:47 a.m.
        
        Re: I'm a libertarian and despise liberals
        James Chantler (66-193-79-4.static.twtelecom.net) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 4:45 p.m.
        
        if the data showed that then
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 6:09 a.m.
        
        Re: if the data showed that then
        James Chantler (66-193-79-4.static.twtelecom.net) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 9:59 a.m.
        
        great pts *NM*
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.70) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 5:25 p.m.
        
        Re: sorry but the 6 of the past 10yrs
        James Chantler (66-193-79-4.static.twtelecom.net) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 10:01 a.m.
        
        Re: sorry but the 6 of the past 10yrs
        James Campbell (h-68-165-147-46.hstqtx02.covad.net) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 3:35 p.m.
        
        Re: sorry but the 6 of the past 10yrs *LINK*
        vince anello (adsl-76-243-198-112.dsl.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) -- Wednesday, March 12, 2008, @ 12:49 p.m.
    - Re: might want to talk to modern science
      leonard willison (dhcp-51-109-212-67.cf-res.cfu.net) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 6:04 p.m.
      - Now we all understand..------WebKitFormBoundaryplO
        Tim"THEPEOPLESCHAMP"Bruner ------WebKitF (cpe-24-174-14-25.austin.res.rr.com) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 7:01 p.m.
        
        Re: Now we all understand..------WebKitFormBoundar
        leonard willison (dhcp-51-109-212-67.cf-res.cfu.net) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 7:39 p.m.
      - don't know or care about Mars *NM*
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 7:25 a.m.
      - Re: might want to talk to modern science
        James Campbell (h-68-165-147-46.hstqtx02.covad.net) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 2:05 p.m.
        
        nope. al gore actually knows little about the
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Thursday, March 6, 2008, @ 1:18 p.m.
    - Re: What about other warming periods?
      Nectar (c-98-206-203-164.hsd1.il.comcast.net) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 8:08 p.m.
      - the rarely occurred as quickly and they
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 7:24 a.m.
        
        Re: Ice ages lastest 1000's of years.
        Nectar Kirkiris (wwwgate2.motorola.com) -- Friday, March 7, 2008, @ 10:18 a.m.
      - Re: What about other warming periods? *LINK*
        Chris (c-24-62-176-109.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 4:40 p.m.
    - Re: might want to talk to modern science
      John Burgard (ip65-46-172-26.z172-46-65.customer.algx.net) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 7:00 a.m.
      - because volcanic eruptions are randomized
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 7:24 a.m.
        
        Re: because volcanic eruptions are randomized
        leonard willison (dhcp-51-109-212-67.cf-res.cfu.net) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 5:45 p.m.
        
        there's a guy in India who's temperate went up to
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Thursday, March 6, 2008, @ 1:17 p.m.
        
        Re: there's a guy in India who's temperate went up *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 7, 2008, @ 11:00 a.m.
        
        Re: there's a guy in India who's temperate went up *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 7, 2008, @ 12:48 p.m.
        
        yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 2:25 p.m.
        
        so did these guys...all Christians...
        ken wheeler (adsl-76-244-173-131.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net) -- Sunday, March 9, 2008, @ 9:48 p.m.
        
        newton believed in alchemy as well so ...
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 9:58 a.m.
        
        Re: newton believed in alchemy as well so ...
        ken wheeler (71.138.213.159) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 11:18 a.m.
        
        "there's an exception to everything" is
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 6:06 a.m.
        
        Re: "there's an exception to everything" is
        BIG bump (141.197.12.253) -- Tuesday, March 11, 2008, @ 10:26 a.m.
        
        Re: "there's an exception to everything" is
        ken wheeler (adsl-76-244-173-131.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net) -- Wednesday, March 12, 2008, @ 10:35 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book *LINK*
        Dave Caligaris (75-163-149-99.clsp.qwest.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 12:39 p.m.
        
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        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 1:14 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 1:17 p.m.
        
        Make up your mind
        jim ray (66-188-90-182.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 5:31 p.m.
        
        Re: Make up your mind
        a (cal53-uas-2-209197146139.3web.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 7:49 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        ken wheeler (71.138.213.159) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 5:38 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        Dave Caligaris (75-163-149-99.clsp.qwest.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 10:02 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        ken wheeler (adsl-76-244-173-131.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 10:19 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        Dave Caligaris (75-163-149-99.clsp.qwest.net) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 11:08 a.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        ken wheeler (71.138.213.159) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 3:29 p.m.
        
        "Who are you, who who, who who?"
        ken wheeler (adsl-76-244-173-131.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net) -- Sunday, March 16, 2008, @ 6:32 p.m.
        
        Re: "Who are you, who who, who who?"
        Dave Caligaris (75-163-149-99.clsp.qwest.net) -- Monday, March 17, 2008, @ 12:09 p.m.
        
        Re: "Who are you, who who, who who?"
        ken wheeler (71.138.213.159) -- Monday, March 17, 2008, @ 1:16 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        Robert Taylor (c-69-248-77-244.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 4:59 a.m.
        
        exactly right *NM*
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.70) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 12:15 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        Tom Isbell (206.74.42.69) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 2:02 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        rick knicely (71.61.112.38) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 4:25 p.m.
        
        6 days
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        Re: 6 days
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        Re: 6 days *LINK* *PIC*
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        Rick Perconte (doagate.doa.virginia.gov) -- Monday, March 17, 2008, @ 10:29 a.m.
        
        Re: 6 days *LINK* *PIC*
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        Re: 6 days
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        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        Tom Isbell (75-136-159-057.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 11:03 a.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        ken wheeler (adsl-76-244-173-131.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net) -- Sunday, March 16, 2008, @ 6:54 p.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        ken wheeler (71.138.213.159) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 7:17 p.m.
        
        Faith (the right kind) and politics
        Dave Caligaris (75-163-149-99.clsp.qwest.net) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 5:19 p.m.
        
        Re: Faith (the right kind) and politics
        Tom Isbell (75-136-159-057.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 11:00 a.m.
        
        Re: Faith (the right kind) and politics
        Dave Caligaris (75-163-149-99.clsp.qwest.net) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 2:24 p.m.
        
        Re: Faith (the right kind) and politics
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        Re: Faith (the right kind) and politics
        ken wheeler (71.138.213.159) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 3:34 p.m.
        
        Re: Faith (the right kind) and politics
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        Re: Faith (the right kind) and politics
        ken wheeler (adsl-76-244-173-131.dsl.bkfd14.sbcglobal.net) -- Sunday, March 16, 2008, @ 11:05 a.m.
        
        Re: yet you'll believe a 2000 yr old book
        James Campbell (cache-dtc-af11.proxy.aol.com) -- Friday, March 14, 2008, @ 7:23 p.m.
        
        Re: because volcanic eruptions are randomized *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 7, 2008, @ 10:58 a.m.
    - Re: might want to talk to modern science *LINK* *PIC*
      Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 7, 2008, @ 10:46 a.m.
      - Re: might want to talk to modern science *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Friday, March 7, 2008, @ 10:54 a.m.
      - Re: might want to talk to modern science
        Juhani Virtanen (cs27022029.pp.htv.fi) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 12:07 p.m.
        
        Re: might want to talk to modern science *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 12:20 p.m.
        
        Re: might want to talk to modern science
        Juhani Virtanen (cs27022029.pp.htv.fi) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 12:37 p.m.
        
        You have to be kidding...
        ken wheeler (71.138.213.159) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 6:12 p.m.
        
        Re: You have to be kidding... *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 1:40 p.m.
        
        Re: might want to talk to modern science *LINK* *PIC*
        Rickey Dale Crain (wsip-72-215-10-237.ok.ok.cox.net) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 1:39 p.m.
      - Re: might want to talk to modern science *LINK*
        vince anello (d149-67-80-12.clv.wideopenwest.com) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 1:22 p.m.
      - the fact that you don't realize that global warmin
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Saturday, March 8, 2008, @ 2:19 p.m.
        
        try pissing in the wind to prove global warming
        art menton (adsl-75-0-238-41.dsl.crchtx.sbcglobal.net) -- Sunday, March 9, 2008, @ 1:43 p.m.
        
        yeah..and they anti-global warming people are what
        Scott Slaterly (192.146.101.26) -- Monday, March 10, 2008, @ 9:59 a.m.
  - Re: You Appear To Be A Nut Job....
    jim ray (66-188-90-182.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 1:01 a.m.
- Re: Job Hou-Seye and NASA
  leonard willison (dhcp-51-109-212-67.cf-res.cfu.net) -- Monday, March 3, 2008, @ 6:22 p.m.
  - Re: Job Hou-Seye and NASA
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- Re: Job Hou-Seye and NASA
  Tom Isbell (24-178-154-111.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com) -- Monday, March 3, 2008, @ 6:45 p.m.
- Re: Job Hou-Seye and NASA
  Jan Eric Dyke (catus20.catalystwms.com) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 12:00 p.m.
- Well at least you know them now.------WebKitFormBo
  Tim"THEPEOPLESCHAMP"Bruner------WebKitFo (cpe-24-174-14-25.austin.res.rr.com) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 1:26 p.m.
  - Just remember
    Jerry Knotts (h35.190.97.216.ip.alltel.net) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 2:20 p.m.
  - Re: Well at least you know them now.------WebKitFo
    leonard willison (dhcp-51-109-212-67.cf-res.cfu.net) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 5:59 p.m.
  - Re: Well at least you know them now.------WebKitFo
    Scott Tusic (pool-72-84-41-4.clrkwv.east.verizon.net) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 7:35 p.m.
  - Did you ever notice that
    willie williams (ip148254.wvlc.pat.wvnet.edu) -- Wednesday, March 5, 2008, @ 6:25 p.m.
- Re: Job Hou-Seye and NASA
  Steve Shaw (71-86-203-194.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 7:23 p.m.
  - Steve see what happens.....------WebKitFormBoundar
    Tim"THEPEOPLESCHAMP"Bruner------WebKitFo (cpe-24-174-14-25.austin.res.rr.com) -- Tuesday, March 4, 2008, @ 8:03 p.m.
    - Re: Steve see what happens.....------WebKitFormBou
      Steve Shaw (71-86-203-194.dhcp.stpt.wi.charter.com) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 4:47 p.m.
- Re: Job Hou-Seye and NASA *LINK*
  Chris (c-24-62-176-109.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) -- Saturday, March 15, 2008, @ 4:32 p.m.

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