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Re: burnell: thread about cheating continued
Posted By: Jason Burnell (adsl-69-111-194-220.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net)
In Response To: burnell: thread about cheating continued *LINK* (tfannon)
Date: Saturday, September 29, 2007, @ 7:42 p.m.
i agree that people who cheat drug tests are losers. i am with you 100%. they are only slightly worse those that enter the 259 lb wabdl special 40-44 age group to get another trophy.
==>LOL
but because someone is a loser shouldn't subject them to the prying eyes of the government.
==> OK.. Here is where I have a problem with you and Billy's argument. We tell these guys that we drug test and that our meets are for drug free lifters. We tell them that should they fail their name WILL be posted. They sign up and agree to both things.
Nobody is surprising them. It's not like they aren't warned.
Here's where I'm surprised. Every time someone fails a test - instead of applauding the system for working and actually catching a cheater - people actually say things like "ah ha... I told you they are on drugs over there" while forgetting that the majority of us are clean.
So, really I have no problem with ruining a cheaters reputation and it goes beyond a trophy or placement. The cheaters ruin it for the rest of us that really are drug free because evertime one of us makes a big lift, we are subjected to the "well, he must be cheating because that other guy was" crap. Every cheater ruins my reputation a bit by association so hey, screw em right back.
forgive me, i just read the rise and fall of the 3rd reich and it is pretty damn scary what happens once people cede their power to the government. it doesn't come back by itself. we should not be in a hurry to give up our fellow citizens with the witch hunt currently going on.
==>LOL Here's the thing. There are a ton of feds that don't test. There is absolutely no good reason for a steroid user to lift in USAPL or NASA or the AAPF or the AAU. These guys aren't stupid and if they want to take the risk that is on them, not the fed for posting their names.
While I do not think steroids should be in the same class as coke or heroin and the hype far outweighs the facts especially when you factor in that you can buy death with alcohol and cigs, it is rediculous. However, even if steroids were legalized, you'd still see some guys going to drug free meets while gassed. I'd still say they should be executed....er embarassed.
a lifetime ban is better in my opinion. and yes, again they are losers. for the record, people in my gym who compete aapf better be aapf or they won't compete as a tbb member again.
==>losers should be in jail. That's why we have jails.
however, as i've grown older, i see that there are real problems out there without trying to crucify a guy for taking drugs and not getting caught.
have you ever cheated on a test? fuck, when i got dropped into georgia tech with nothing but asian math teachers whom i couldn't understand, and was not willing to suck-ass to a fraternity to get the copies of old tests, i admit i had to get a little creative to survive. and look at me, i turned out 'just fine'. hehe.
==> Tommy, I live an exemplary life and should be canonized soon after my death. That is why I am so loved all over the world.
we all know that up until recently, the ipf pretty much had a 'don't get caught and you are ok policy'. i am convinced they are now pretty serious and respect that, but the mindset was prevalent in the 80s and 90s to juice just enough. the losers were the ones that took the wrong drugs.
==>That is true and is one reason why I was against the ADFPA joining the IPF. I didn't think the IPF was ever going to be really serious about drug testing. However, they seem to have made some "paradigm shifts." LOL
anyway, enough rambling.
==> Oh no.. ramble on, my brother. Ramble on. There has got to be discussion or this stuff just stays buried.
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